Can satan be forgiven?

[tweekjones]

Perhaps the next logical question would be, "Will Satan be forgiven?"
This is the topic of an upcoming show I'm doing and would greatly appreciate your honest opinions,thank you.

[KLC]

Feb 20, 2010 7:09:25 GMT -5 tweekjones said:

Perhaps the next logical question would be, "Will Satan be forgiven?"
This is the topic of an upcoming show I'm doing and would greatly appreciate your honest opinions,thank you.

Satan ...or Luci (which I prefer to call him) is going to h e double hockey sticks

Can Luci be forgiven? I do believe so.... God is an all-forgiving one, a characteristic we only WISH we could bestow. God's mercy & compassion is unmatched by any human being that ever existed upon this earth.

But will Luci repent? Will he admit the error of his ways and finally submit to God's wish for him (and the other angels) to serve mankind?

When God commanded all of the angels to bow down before Adam (the first Human), Lucifer, full of hubris and jealousy, refused to obey God's command, seeing Adam as being inferior in creation due to his being created from clay as compared to him (created of fire).

"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Lucifer; He refused to be of those who prostrate."
(God) said: "What prevented thee from prostrating when I commanded thee?" He said: "I am better than he: Thou didst create me from fire, and him from clay."

Qur'an 7:11-12

It was after this that the title of "Shaitan" was given, which can be roughly translated as "Enemy," "Rebel," "Evil" or "Devil". Shaitan then claims that if the punishment for his act of disobedience is to be delayed until the Day of Judgment, that he will divert many of Adam's own descendants from the straight path during his period of respite.

So will God forgive Satan Luci for his dasterdly deed against mankind??? hmmm if he does repent for these actions:

"he will divert many of Adam's own descendants from the straight path during his period of respite."

then perhaps God may forgive him. I dunno ...Perhaps it kinda depends on how many of Adam's descendents followed Luci's ways, and if they will repent their evil wicked ways or not!

Bow Luci Bow!


Rolling Stones - Sympathy For The Devil

Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long years
Stole many a man's soul and faith

And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game

I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain

I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
(woo woo, woo woo)

I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me
(who who, who who)

Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
(woo woo, who who)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
(who who)
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
(who who, who who)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
(woo woo, who who)

Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint
(who who, who who)

So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
(woo woo)
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
(woo woo, woo woo)

Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
(who who)
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
(woo woo, woo woo)

Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
(woo woo)

Tell me baby, what's my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what's my name
I tell you one time, you're to blame

[geo]

Well this is a tough question, but I would say if he changes his ways losses his swelled head then why the hell not, If God tells us to forgive people, then you would think he could forgive satan. Just my two cents though!

[tweekjones]

Out of curiosity klc do you hold the quran as a good source of information about God and Satan? Believe it or not theres an interesting point to be made concerning that religion even if satan himself wrote the quran which i shall make in my upcoming show.

[KLC]

Feb 21, 2010 5:12:25 GMT -5 tweekjones said:

Out of curiosity klc do you hold the quran as a good source of information about God and Satan? Believe it or not theres an interesting point to be made concerning that religion even if satan himself wrote the quran which i shall make in my upcoming show.

yes tweek, actually I do find alot of information in the Quran about God & Satan .... stories they don't touch upon (or has been left out) in the bible. Another book I get lots of stories from is the book of adam & eve. They both had plenty to say about Satan.

I'm looking forward to your show topics tweek. Are you going to host it on ustream like esoterica???

[patriothorse777]

Can Satan be Forgiven?
Well... that's a loaded question.
1) Why should he be forgiven? what was his error in the first place?
2) Satan is NOT from the seed of Adam as we are. He is a CREATED Angel...
3)His background from the book of Ezekiel:
(my understanding as my background is in the area of praise/worship music and I have done extensive study) Sorry... not able to list exact scriptures but... here goes:
a) Satan known a Lucifer was a created angel, in fact he had favor w/God as the HIGHEST, FAVORED one.
b)In Lucifer, was created the sounds of music: pipes and all instruments you can imagine.
c) His "job" was to lead in worship of God... a leader of angels.
d) His downfall? He wanted the Praise/Glory/ attention for himself. He thought, "What the heck? All this for God? I want to be worshipped and praised!!! His Pride Got to his head.... AND with him took 1/3 of the angels with him on his downfall.
e) God casted him OUT of heaven and his cronies followed him.

Thus... Satan the deciever and Father of Lies... began to mess up MAN... starting from the garden of Eden.

Lucifer is destined to be chained for 1000 years. Then released, to wreck havoc here on Earth.
His Time is limited.

NO... Satan cannot be redeemed, forgiven. In fact... Hell is his final destination.

My thoughts exactlly.
Patriot Horse

[tweekjones]

yes tweek, actually I do find alot of information in the Quran about God & Satan .... stories they don't touch upon (or has been left out) in the bible. Another book I get lots of stories from is the book of adam & eve. They both had plenty to say about Satan.

I'm looking forward to your show topics tweek. Are you going to host it on ustream like esoterica???

I might though i don't know why I would need to do it live?


PH I could answer you argument but I've revealed enough already,ill see what i can do on my actual show!

[geo]

Patriot never new he showed up in the book of Ezekiel I will have to look into that, all try to read it in the next couple of days. I thought in the old testement he was just mentioned directly in the book of Job, then again I could be wrong.

[tweekjones]

In 1997, Bishop Timothy Ware (of the Greek Orthodox Church) wrote:
"Hell exists as a final possibility, but several of the Fathers have none the less believed that in the end all will be reconciled to God. It is heretical to say that all must be saved, for this is to deny free will; but it is legitimate to hope that all may be saved. Until the Last Day comes, we must not despair of anyone’s salvation, but must long and pray for the reconciliation of all without exception. No one must be excluded from our loving intercession. ‘What is a merciful heart?’ asked Isaac the Syrian. ‘It is a heart that burns with love for the whole of creation, for men, for the birds, for the beasts, for the demons, for all creatures.’Gregory of Nyssa said that Christians may legitimately hope even for the redemption of the Devil."

[mgm]

I do not think Satan can be forgiven- He has been judged already when he was cast out of the heavens with the 1/3 of the host of heaven- so the judgment has already taken place..

[edwin]

<h2 style="text-align:center;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em><span style="color:#ff9900;"><strong>Satan Can be Forgiven?</strong></span></em></span></h2>
<pre>Posted on March 7, 2010 by:epsilonians</pre>
<h5><strong>Only </strong><span style="color:#993300;"><strong>God</strong></span><strong> can Save <span style="color:#ff6600;"><span style="color:#888888;"><em>Satan</em></span><span style="color:#000000;">?</span></span> </strong></h5>
<h5><strong>Who is The Lamb?
In<span style="color:#ff9900;"> <span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em><span style="color:#ff6600;">Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the centre of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.</span></em></span></span></strong></h5>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img class="alignnone" src="http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb85/37wallflower73/Do%20Not%20Move/_anime_.jpg" alt="" width="506" height="675" /></p>

<h5><strong>Jesus was not been slain, He died for us from sins, The Supper of the Lamb is a Sacrificial for a purpose.</strong></h5>
<h5><strong>The Book of Genesis, for instance, says that when God was about to create man, he said: "<em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="color:#ff6600;">Let us create man in our own image and Likeness</span></span></em>". . (Gn 1:26). In his Decision to create man, God spoke in Plural, hinting of the Life of the<span style="color:#000000;"> <em>Father</em></span>, the <span style="color:#000000;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>Son</em></span></span>, and the <span style="color:#000000;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>Holy spirit.</em></span></span></strong></h5>
<h5><strong>If God is Love, how can he Love when he is all alone?</strong></h5>
<h5><strong>God cannot Fully revealed the exact visions, Because the Lamb has not been slain.</strong></h5>
<h5><strong>& other one:The Rider on the White Horse:
<span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em><span style="color:#ff6600;">I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.</span></em></span></strong></h5>
<h5><strong>It's a name of a Human, This is a crown that has been won. Jesus did not win His crown because He was victorious. His crown is not a prize He won, but as King of kings</strong></h5>
<h5><strong>Here's my Complete clue:</strong></h5>
<address><strong>God is one God, who holds many positions, yet remains one God,
God is full of secrets even angel didn’t know,
God hate <em><span style="color:#ff6600;">satan</span></em> because of his works not his entire self, the reason we suffer into this world because God separate the
Good and Bad, the last theory is: the last son of god.. is <em><span style="color:#ff6600;">devil</span></em> to save the <em><span style="color:#ff6600;">demons</span></em>
but is impossible how to choose the bad or good.. he will send his Twins baby cherubim and adult devil as himself in one Body, but one, in a form of a human… The change of Hearts Messiah
right eye is a baby cherub, and the left eye is adult devil, that they may transform both devil and angel…
they will have a test 50% to save is God Himself.</strong></address> <address><strong>
</strong></address>
<h5><strong><em><span style="color:#ff6600;">angel and the devil are images that express two realities: a superior and an inferior world; the divine nature and primitive nature. These two natures coexist in man, and it is up to each one to decide which of the two nature he wants to express</span></em>.”</strong></h5>
<h5><strong>Sitting on a throne .. Similarity of God..</strong></h5>
<h5><strong><em>Mary Baxter says</em>:</strong></h5>
<blockquote>
<h5><span style="color:#00ccff;"><strong>I received this heavenly vision while in deep prayer, meditation and worship.
The glory of the Lord descended upon the place where I was praying. Great billows of fire, bright lights and majestic power came before my eyes. In the center of the fire and the lights was the throne of God. On the throne was a similarity of God. Joy, peace and love flowed from God Almighty.
The air around the throne was filled with baby cherubim, singing and kissing the Lord upon His face, His hands and His feet. The song they sang was “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty.” The cherubim had tongues of fire sitting on their heads and on the tips of each tiny wing. The motion of their wings seemed synchronized with the movement of the power and glory of the Lord.
A cherub flew to me and touched my eyes.</strong></span></h5>
</blockquote>
<h5><strong>God choose a human, to be an Entrance of His 2 spirits, <em><span style="color:#ff6600;">Devil & angel</span></em>.</strong></h5>
<h5><strong>angelic childrens are Gods favorite because of pure Good as a child, and adult to choose his path. They will crown His as<span style="color:#ff6600;"> <em><span style="color:#ff6600;">King of kings Lords of Lords.</span></em></span></strong></h5>
<h5><strong>and the preparation are prepared, and the scriptures are fullfilled Demons can be forgiven because they success to becomes angel, they win the crowns. They are God of the Future, they are three:<em><span style="color:#ff6600;">Human</span> <span style="color:#0000ff;">,<span style="color:#ff6600;">Angel</span></span>, <span style="color:#ff6600;">Devil</span></em>, One mind, one Body, one heart, but more than one will, but one.</strong></h5>
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</strong>

[edwin]

Satan Can be Forgiven?

Posted on March 7, 2010 by:epsilonians

Only God can Save Satan?
Who is The Lamb?
In Rev 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the centre of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.

Jesus was not been slain, He died for us from sins, The Supper of the Lamb is a Sacrificial for a purpose.
The Book of Genesis, for instance, says that when God was about to create man, he said: "Let us create man in our own image and Likeness". . (Gn 1:26). In his Decision to create man, God spoke in Plural, hinting of the Life of the Father, the Son, and the Holy spirit.
If God is Love, how can he Love when he is all alone?
God cannot Fully revealed the exact visions, Because the Lamb has not been slain.
& other one:The Rider on the White Horse:
I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself.
It's a name of a Human, This is a crown that has been won. Jesus did not win His crown because He was victorious. His crown is not a prize He won, but as King of kings
Here's my Complete clue:
God is one God, who holds many positions, yet remains one God,
God is full of secrets even angel didn’t know,
God hate satan because of his works not his entire self, the reason we suffer into this world because God separate the
Good and Bad, the last theory is: the last son of god.. is devil to save the demons
but is impossible how to choose the bad or good.. he will send his Twins baby cherubim and adult devil as himself in one Body, but one, in a form of a human… The change of Hearts Messiah
right eye is a baby cherub, and the left eye is adult devil, that they may transform both devil and angel…
they will have a test 50% to save is God Himself.

angel and the devil are images that express two realities: a superior and an inferior world; the divine nature and primitive nature. These two natures coexist in man, and it is up to each one to decide which of the two nature he wants to express.”
Sitting on a throne .. Similarity of God..
Mary Baxter says:

I received this heavenly vision while in deep prayer, meditation and worship.
The glory of the Lord descended upon the place where I was praying. Great billows of fire, bright lights and majestic power came before my eyes. In the center of the fire and the lights was the throne of God. On the throne was a similarity of God. Joy, peace and love flowed from God Almighty.
The air around the throne was filled with baby cherubim, singing and kissing the Lord upon His face, His hands and His feet. The song they sang was “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty.” The cherubim had tongues of fire sitting on their heads and on the tips of each tiny wing. The motion of their wings seemed synchronized with the movement of the power and glory of the Lord.
A cherub flew to me and touched my eyes.

God choose a human, to be an Entrance of His 2 spirits, Devil & angel.
angelic childrens are Gods favorite because of pure Good as a child, and adult to choose his path. They will crown His as King of kings Lords of Lords.
and the preparation are prepared, and the scriptures are fullfilled Demons can be forgiven because they success to becomes angel, they win the crowns. They are God of the Future, they are three:Human ,Angel, Devil, One mind, one Body, one heart, but more than one will, but one.